Re: Winter Build 2017
[Re: Alex Akachinskiy]
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March 30, 2017 05:27 pm UTC
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Bryan Lawrence
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Cool, good work Alex.
I agree with Lucian though!
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Re: Winter Build 2017
[Re: Lucian Marta]
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March 30, 2017 06:01 pm UTC
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... Side projects: - scrap rotary engine for rx8. - LS swap rx8. I fixed that for you. Cool, good work Alex.
I agree with Lucian though! NEVER Rotary FTW haha i want to drive something unique ...no more pistons how come no one suggesting turboing this little bugger
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Re: Winter Build 2017
[Re: Alex Akachinskiy]
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March 31, 2017 05:26 pm UTC
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Nice looking piece, but the material choice is probably overkill for the application. Big advantage of Chromoly is strength to weight ratio, but I don't think a gram or two in this piece is going to make a difference. 4140 is a lot more common, I asssume cheaper, and would probably be a good choice of material for this piece.
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Re: Winter Build 2017
[Re: Ziggy Dietrich]
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March 31, 2017 05:49 pm UTC
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Nice looking piece, but the material choice is probably overkill for the application. Big advantage of Chromoly is strength to weight ratio, but I don't think a gram or two in this piece is going to make a difference. 4140 is a lot more common, I asssume cheaper, and would probably be a good choice of material for this piece. I don't know the reasoning for the choice of material, it's Beyond Redline Performance who actually makes it and to Tim Zimmer's knowledge, none have ever broken or galled up. Now would making it out of 4140 significantly change the price? I'm assuming like most parts, a good part of the price is the overhead and r&d cost attached to the part, not the material itself. It is forged 4340 chromoly tool steel that is machined from an ingot by a 5-Axis CNC Mill, then oil-grooved, shot-peened, heat-treated and carbonized. Rockwell hardness is around 60-62. That results in an approximate tensile strength around 115,000-120,000psi. It is essentially classified as a hardened tool steel part.
It is by far the strongest cross-shaft on the market for these vehicle applications and provides owners with complete streetability on high-horsepower AWD applications. Instead of machining down the stock cross-shaft to accept 4 spider gears, this part started from scratch with better material, a beefier structure, surface hardening, and oil passage grooves on its posts to provide proper oiling to the spider gears to prevent surface galling.
The Beyond Redline Performance cross-shaft has been proven to hold over 1000HP and 950TQ at the crank on my race car for the last 5 years without signs of galling or damage. It has been proven on the race track, the street, and the dyno to survive the harshest conditions without failure.
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Re: Winter Build 2017
[Re: Jason Drew]
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April 01, 2017 12:21 am UTC
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I don't know the reasoning for the choice of material, it's Beyond Redline Performance who actually makes it and to Tim Zimmer's knowledge, none have ever broken or galled up.
Now would making it out of 4140 significantly change the price? I'm assuming like most parts, a good part of the price is the overhead and r&d cost attached to the part, not the material itself.
I was just responding to your comment that Chromoly must be priced like gold. I am sure there is a ton of R&D and considerable machining involved, and the piece would not be cheap regardless, but I think chromoly is most commonly used in tube form, like for chassis or roll cages. If I were making these today, I would probably try 4140 and possibly nitride the surface after machining. Are the oil passages circular grooves or a spiral groove?
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Re: Winter Build 2017
[Re: Lucian Marta]
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April 02, 2017 03:59 am UTC
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You read my mind. Oil and gas like a 2 stroke, and you'll be pulling it out and rebuilding it every 30k miles lol ^ Not that much far off from 4B11T You must have a whole lot of money burning a whole in your pocket if you want to take one of the most fuel inefficient vehicles around and make it even more inefficient in a place that has super expensive, crappy gas. But hey, should be fun! Revving a car engine out to 10k on the regular is always enjoyable. The extra torque from a turbo will be wonderful. Well said Gas prices these days are not as bad as they used to be so fuel efficency is not my major concern at this point. Rx8 is sitting at 16mpg city 22mpg hwy which is similar to EVO X. The turbo kit for these cars is damn expensive. The best kit is made by Esmeril Racing. On stock engine it made 414 WHP The kit cost is 5895.00 and another 1500 for Haltech ECU with preloaded map. Considering i paid 3k for whole car, this kit is definitely pricy
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Re: Winter Build 2017
[Re: Guillaume Berton]
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April 02, 2017 03:13 pm UTC
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I am going to repeat this one because you live in California! This is where most of the guys are selling stuff for the best prices so you will be able to get everything you need! I have spent the last year and a bit on the diy electric car forums and for what you would pay for just that turbo kit you could have a pretty good range electric conversion with all the torque you could want!!
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Re: Winter Build 2017
[Re: Ziggy Dietrich]
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April 03, 2017 02:12 am UTC
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I don't know the reasoning for the choice of material, it's Beyond Redline Performance who actually makes it and to Tim Zimmer's knowledge, none have ever broken or galled up.
Now would making it out of 4140 significantly change the price? I'm assuming like most parts, a good part of the price is the overhead and r&d cost attached to the part, not the material itself.
I was just responding to your comment that Chromoly must be priced like gold. I am sure there is a ton of R&D and considerable machining involved, and the piece would not be cheap regardless, but I think chromoly is most commonly used in tube form, like for chassis or roll cages. If I were making these today, I would probably try 4140 and possibly nitride the surface after machining. Are the oil passages circular grooves or a spiral groove? i believe 4140 is considered chromoly?
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Re: Winter Build 2017
[Re: Alex Akachinskiy]
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April 03, 2017 10:52 am UTC
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The way the paint reflects the light in that first shot looks amazing!
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Re: Winter Build 2017
[Re: Alex Akachinskiy]
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April 03, 2017 04:36 pm UTC
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Not that much far off from 4B11T Come again? Didn't you blew your 4B11T with cobb tune at 49k ? I believe it was closer to 225K(give or take). I suspect an engine failure could occur on Cobb tune with no respect to its Km's, 50kms to 500000kms wouldn't matter much from what I've heard. *disclaimer I have zero personal experience with the Cobb tuner* That being said I also have no experience with rotary engines or how reliable/well they hold up to higher than factory HP.
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Re: Winter Build 2017
[Re: Charles Kisielewski]
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April 03, 2017 05:34 pm UTC
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I believe it was closer to 225K(give or take). I suspect an engine failure could occur on Cobb tune with no respect to its Km's, 50kms to 500000kms wouldn't matter much from what I've heard. *disclaimer I have zero personal experience with the Cobb tuner*
That being said I also have no experience with rotary engines or how reliable/well they hold up to higher than factory HP. LA smog must be getting to you man I blew the original engine with over 230k (close, Charles). The donor that took it's place in the engine bay, has 49k. The original engine even with the high mileage ran extremely well and healthy up to that second. Personally, I am extremely excited to take that cobb AP off and kick it off the nearest cliff once the car is running. I should have removed it as soon as I got the car. My DSM smog test is due this October lol...it will be fun with all my recent mods including EVO 3 IM. My miss understanding on the mileage of your 4B11T, it appears you are re-using 49k motor instead of rebuilding your own with 230k, is this correct? Regarding rotary engine reliability, they say if you look after one it will last long time. Generally it's not reliable compared to piston engine. I will attempt to rebuild it myself and see how it goes. I have to admit, there is huge fun factor when working on these things. Can't wait to see what those rotors look like inside the housings. This motor overheated and blew the coolant seal. Lots and lots of white smoke when i tried starting it.
Last edited by Alex Akachinskiy; April 03, 2017 05:54 pm UTC.
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Re: Winter Build 2017
[Re: Jay Stacey]
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April 04, 2017 08:04 pm UTC
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2 things you are lacking in that pic....
Beer bottles...
And plastic containers... Yogurt ones work really well for organizing bolts.
Ha, I stopped drinking to fund for race car parts! Good idea on the yogurt containers.
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Re: Winter Build 2017
[Re: Alex Akachinskiy]
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April 05, 2017 02:40 pm UTC
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Bryan Lawrence
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Cardboard was a nice touch when I picked up my car, Gus had stuck all the bolts into cardboard and then wrote what it was for. Alex, this just came up on my recommendations, should help! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnoF80ezReo
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