All I could ever find was lots of people saying it would vibrate way too much... well it it dosent vibrate much.... for a dsm.. My 2g with an eliminator kit vibrates more. I read somewhere that the constant vibrations will prematurly wear out bearings.... well so does driving your car hard! And with a dsm... it seems that if you havent replaced your engine or rebiult it... you will. The shafts are to keep the engine in sink so It will last longer.. but They never thought people would be running 7000+rpms with huge turbos on them. And I would never trust that cheesy rubber balance belt on an engine putting out twice as much power and a abuse then it was intended for. Especially since my 1g is all stock and it thru its balance shaft belt and nearly killed my motor.

Don't cut the balance shaft belt

Its a bunch of reading but it might just change your mind on how 'unimportant' running a balance shaft belt is. Other then premature bearing wear there are a nice little list of possible issues that lead to engine failure (and often do). If your going to do a MOD just repair or remove it properly...don't half ass stuff then ask later 'How come my DSM died??' lol

Your call...no pressure

Im no saying dont install a eliminator kit... But I have read many people have been driving for years with just a lack of belt. My 1g is going on year 2 of no belt and its a dialy driver... 2 people have learned how to drive in it.. and Its seen alot af abuse.

But I have seen the stubbie removed from a couple engines... and I didnt like what I saw. The lack of oil pump shaft. lead to bad oil pump bearing races.Which would have made a mess.

Its really one of the legendary DSM aruments.. there will always be just as many people say its fine as people who say dont do it.

What a weekend after a few snags its in, im covered head to toe in grease, I ache like hell but it was worth it, did my first timing belt, my first set of brakelines, had a few beers, watch the new fast and furious and the new initial D series. Best weekend in a long time
Turn key next weekend ..... we will see.



Big shout out to mans best friend (lucy) for keeping me company.

Agreed

excellent progress kirk, I forgot to but you should take a video of her starting for the first time.

Nice work Kirk, very good progress!

That Tiger beer is good stuff!=gold medal beer!

Looking good and good progress over the two days. Don't forget to video tape your first crank

Looks good. Lots of progress.

Tiger is amazing beer.

Awesome job man!

Question, off-topic, when covered in oil/grease like that, what the hell do you use to shower!?

Straight soap never cuts it, and it's not like you're going to bathe yourself in that orange clean stuff...do you?

Dawn dish soap on the arms and hands in a sink. Bar soap in the shower. Maybe a good scrub with the luffa you know..the fluffy ball your wife uses to scrub your ass and her face.

I have industial lime soap.

Put sugar in your dish soap. gives it a granular feeling like that orange stuff.

I have a tub of orange in the truck that goes to the wreckera with me.. other then that... its dish soap in the laundry tub before Im even aloud in the house.

I broke a nipple of sorts on the power steering pump any ideas what does there is a wire coming off it of sorts.

^^
It detects steering load and bumps the idle up when you turn your steering wheel. You could experience low idle or stalling when cornering slowly.

I didnt hook that up on my 2g when I moved the pump to the back of the block.. Didnt seem to effect anything.

On a Saturn it adjust the timing to account for the extra load. People used to wire it into an output signal and control timing in certan situations. Like knock.. I never got into that tho.

Ill run without then swap it out once its been running for a while.

You're going to run without it after reading this?

Especially in Hamilton, you'll get rear ended trying to make a turn!

Ill deal with it till im confident about retiring the daily then steal the one off that.

You will probably never notice it not there. Other then very tight parking lot turns at very low speeds.

I ran without it for a long time and since connecting it have not noticed a difference.

Thou shalt not admit on a mens car forum, that he doth dabble in the "tuning" of thine Saturn automobile, lest he tender his man badge!

I know it sounds gay... but Saturns weigh about 2400lbs.. have twin cams.. and full indpendant susupension. Hook a used t3 turbo to that and some cheap fuel control.. and you will easily run 13s. Add a bit of money and we had stock looking saturns blowing doors off of Camaros and Zo6S

Hand it over dude.....ette..

Jay is clearly going to the Pontiac/Saturn Shootout this weekend.

Jay, let us know how it is

Anyone see that Saturn on Youtube waxing Supras?
Sleepers are awesome!

Last night I plumbed and plugged most of it in, just hope I havent missed anything lol, also deleting any vac lines I dont need, the egr is deleted, the carbon canaster. In fact am I right in saying the only vac nipples are on the throttle body so all I need is one for....
Bov
mbc
boostgauge.

should be picking up a exhaust tomorrow too.

Yup, there are only on the TB, the IM and for most people, one on the compressor housing or J-Pipe, but this is positive pressure only - NO vacuum; to be used for MBC/WG.

You'll need a vacuum/boost source for a MAP sensor and (Adjustable) Fuel Regulator too.

Where is it on the IM?

There is the big nipple on the back for the brake booster and there is is another large vertical nipple sitting in the 'pit' of the intake manifold that the PCV usually goes to. Then there are two more (I believe) tiny nipples sticking of the plenum pointing to the front of the car.

Whatever you do, use the stock brake booster nipple for the brake booster. You can rearrange all the other hoses/nipples as you like but the brake booster NEEDS to go to that large one on the back. I've tried it in other locations and it is scary going from full throttle/boost to brakes and having to wait a second for the booster to see full vacuum...so, run that one stock.

ALSO, the P port on the TB sees both vacuum and boost (the others do not). It is perfect for a boost gauge or MAP sensor, but does not provide enough flow for a BOV/etc.

Perfect thanks next question, I just picked up a 2.5 exhaust if I use it with my 3inch downpipe and cat will I be ok with my mods?

@ Kirk, 3 inch DP with a 2.5 inch cat back will be plenty, unless you plan on making more then 400hp.

I personally would have no issue with the other way around.

But going from 2.5 to 3 inche doesn't sound like a good idea to me.

3 inch exhaust was definitely my favorite mod thus far, if I were you I would wait till you can do the whole thing 3 inch.

His restriction will be the cat, the 2.5 will do just fine flowing after the cat.

Hm, I was told my exhaust was a 2.5 inch before I replaced it, I figured you would want to do the whole thing to notice a difference.

You would. And I agree a full 3 inch is very a noticeable improvement. But I guess it depends on what he is planning for a cat.