Re: electrical issues maybe?
[Re: Danny Dias]
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July 15, 2013 10:04 pm UTC
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Bryan Lawrence
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And don't be a dummy and get the marine ones like I did, I thought they would make things easier but they loved arcing to the hood every time i went over train tracks.
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Re: electrical issues maybe?
[Re: Danny Dias]
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July 16, 2013 12:39 am UTC
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Ryan Laliberte
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Jay does have a great point. I've installed 2 alternators in a row that were faulty out of the box. One was a failed zener diode in a rectifier bridge, the other had a short on the stator. Heck, I've put in 3 light bulbs in license plate lights that were faulty right from the get go.
Ensure your battery does have a full charge, and a trickle charge at that. Don't forget, an alternator is a battery maintainer, not a charger. If you use an alternator to charge a battery on a regular basis, you will fry either one or the other.
Your battery after a 15 minute charge from the alternator will have what's called a "surface charge". This charge can be easily mistaken for a full battery. A full battery should have 12.54 volts.
When checking your alternator output, ensure you check both voltage and current output. Just because it says 13.7v doesn't mean it's putting out the amperage needed. Amps is what you need to charge your battery, not volts. Picture a charging system like a water system. Volts is your water pressure. With nothing on, you'll have lots of pressure, but when you crank on the lights, high beams, and blower motor, you just opened the flood gates my friend and if you don't have enough water supply (amps), that pressure is going to bleed off real quick.
Hope this helps.
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Re: electrical issues maybe?
[Re: Mike Eng]
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July 16, 2013 01:40 am UTC
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And don't be a dummy and get the marine ones like I did, I thought they would make things easier but they loved arcing to the hood every time i went over train tracks. Are you not using a tie down or strap? Back then I was using all the stock stuff, but with the marine terminals there are butterflys at at the top and they stick up pretty high, also my hood moves around a lot.
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Re: electrical issues maybe?
[Re: Danny Dias]
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July 16, 2013 03:11 am UTC
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Been there, done that. I've had my positive terminal short out on my hood and kill my car in the middle of an intersection during a turn.
Not. Fun. At. All.
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Re: electrical issues maybe?
[Re: Danny Dias]
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July 16, 2013 11:38 am UTC
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Well luckily everytime my car arced I was moving so I basically lost power and then was good to go shortly after
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Re: electrical issues maybe?
[Re: Johnny Larmond]
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July 16, 2013 05:43 pm UTC
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Michael Lee
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Been there, done that. I've had my positive terminal short out on my hood and kill my car in the middle of an intersection during a turn.
Not. Fun. At. All. You're lucky. I actually had fire under the hood from it arcing against my strut bar. Hence, no more strut bar! I noticed the gauges flickering (known to be an alt from a previous experience) so I stopped immidieatly to see what was the problem, and BOOM Fire! I looked around for an extinguisher, no luck. So I did the next best thing. Judo chop that motherfracker back to the fire wall Chuck Norris style! Needless to say it worked out.
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Re: electrical issues maybe?
[Re: Mike Eng]
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July 16, 2013 05:46 pm UTC
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You JUDO chopped a battery on fire????? Masta Larmond! Mike is that you doing your whiteboy karate? LOL Strut towers in the front seem so dangerous on these cars. When I got my first DSM, my cousin came out to help me get her going. As soon as we connected the new battery the alarm started going off, it was so freaking loud I couldn't even think. The key fob was out of juice so we couldn't kill it. He went to disconnect the battery and tapped the strut bar, OMG, bright flash, I hit the deck and he was screaming in pain. Luckily nobody got hurt...well except for him.
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Re: electrical issues maybe?
[Re: Danny Dias]
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July 17, 2013 05:10 pm UTC
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Nice, take some pictures! Would love to see some documentation on the install as most of it online is dead links now.
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Re: electrical issues maybe?
[Re: Danny Dias]
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July 17, 2013 05:49 pm UTC
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I would love to relocate but that won't happen until I pull my head off again, it's too difficult to get back there with the intake manifold on there and it's a lot easier to pull the head than it is to get the manifold off (at least in my experience).
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Re: electrical issues maybe?
[Re: Danny Dias]
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July 17, 2013 06:40 pm UTC
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Agreed Johnny, I would honestly much rather relocate my power steering to the rear.
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Re: electrical issues maybe?
[Re: Danny Dias]
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July 17, 2013 10:57 pm UTC
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True, the difference being in replacing the relo'd alt would be under the car (hoist) rather than being able to do it from the ground and through the top of the engine bay.
BUT, I would think the primary reason one would relo the alt is to avoid cooking them with big turbos. And cosmetically pleasing of course. There's a double wammy! function and form!
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Re: electrical issues maybe?
[Re: Danny Dias]
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July 17, 2013 11:24 pm UTC
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Working for an ACDelco supplier, I picked up a brand new Saturn alternator with a lifetime warranty for very little money. Grinding down the alternator at all would void this warranty. I don't have A/C, and see absolutely no reason to move my P/S pump. I often find when I'm working under the hood that my alternator is in the way, and would love to make space for future turbo setups. These are just some of the reasons I plan on relocating.
I'm not sure why you think it would be so difficult to replace. I can have my manifold off in under a half hour, starting from a fully assembled engine bay. And let's be honest, if you're worried about one job being slightly more of a pain in the ass ONCE in the next TEN YEARS, a DSM is a bad choice.
For the record: my alternator has sat under a dripping P/S pump and beside an unshielded and (until recently) unwrapped FP manifold, seeing cherry hot runs on a regular basis, and has never given me the slightest indication that it's running anything but perfectly.
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Re: electrical issues maybe?
[Re: Danny Dias]
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July 18, 2013 12:17 am UTC
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I would never crawl under my car to replace my relocated alternator. Like I said, I can have my manifold off in under a half hour. In the almost 4 years I've had my DSM, I've removed my alternator once: to pull my engine out and rebuild it. Edit: Danny, I know you're going to install it at the front and I honestly think that not relocating it won't be an issue. I really hope it solves your problems (because otherwise I'm definitely not helping the clutter in this thread )
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Re: electrical issues maybe?
[Re: Stephen Richardson]
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July 18, 2013 12:27 am UTC
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In the almost 4 years I've had my DSM, I've removed my alternator once: to pull my engine out and rebuild it.
I got you beat. I have only pulled mine once in 21 years. And if i ever have to replace it, it sure won't be with a saturn alt. Yes Mr. Dealership, we know you love your OEM setups I'm kidding, you know I envy your car
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