Re: can you confirm lifters with video clip
[Re: Ryan Rae]
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October 24, 2008 12:00 am UTC
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Doesn't really sound like lifters but it is hard to tell from video. Lifter tick should go away once the engine starts to warm up.
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Re: can you confirm lifters with video clip
[Re: Rob Strelecki]
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October 24, 2008 04:40 pm UTC
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Turn the car on, open your oil cap and shine a light in there, see if there's oil flowing around.
It's coming from the head, but it doesn't sound that bad, maybe harder to tell from the video.
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Re: can you confirm lifters with video clip
[Re: Reza Mirza]
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well the belt isnt slapping around, i use roll pins and a screw driver to pri and then tightened the tenisoner pulley, then pulled the auto tensioner pin, checked tension 15min later and i could almost put the pin back in the tenisoner which means tensioner is almost perfect. both auto tensioner and pully are pretty much new.
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Re: can you confirm lifters with video clip
[Re: Ryan Rae]
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October 24, 2008 10:23 pm UTC
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But do you spin the engine by hand 6 crank revolutions after you pull the pin?
The manual states you pull the pin, wait 15 minutes, rotate the engine by hand 6 revolutions then check your tension.
Also, did you torque the bolt to spec?
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Re: can you confirm lifters with video clip
[Re: Ryan Rae]
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October 25, 2008 05:28 pm UTC
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Pull the pin (should slide out easily, if not then retension), spin engine over 6 times. Then wait 15 minutes, Then the pin should slide back in. If not then retension.
If you got these right, run the engine with the t belt covers off and pinpoint where the noise is coming from. Something is bottoming out, or touching in that area.
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Re: can you confirm lifters with video clip
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The auto tensioner will keep the belt tension right where it is, until you adjust the tensioner pulley out of the auto tensioner's adjustment range.
This will result in bent valves sooner, or later.
I think the only way you're going to get this to all work properly is find out what block you're running, and get the proper, associated parts. Or, get out the angle grinder and start "clearancing" some stuff.
Now, I'll have all kinds of time to talk about DSMs, because I won't be busy fixing mine!
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Re: can you confirm lifters with video clip
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November 03, 2008 07:38 pm UTC
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I have to agree with Ryan on this one. The first tensioner pulley you posted there, MD129355 is for '90 - '94, which means it is for BOTH 1g 6 bolt AND 1g 7 bolt.
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Re: can you confirm lifters with video clip
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by bracket do you mean motor mount or do u mean the pulley? i am using a 2g tensioner pulley. i just thought about that the 1g6 and 7bolt is the same tensioner pulley and it tension clockwise, mine tensions counterclockwise. so i can confirm right their that the tensioner pulley is wrong if i have the 1g7bolt block. also the tensioner arm looks to be a 6bolt does anyone know if the 1g 7bolt is the same as the 6bolt aswell?
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Re: can you confirm lifters with video clip
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I really wonder why you still think you have a 1g 7 bolt motor. From the previous pictures you have posted, you have a 2g block, which is pretty apparent as the crank angle sensor is right there next to the crank sticking out like a sore thumb. I guess you just don't want to believe it
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Re: can you confirm lifters with video clip
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November 03, 2008 08:46 pm UTC
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No, there would not be a place for the crank angle sensor on a 1g 7 bolt motor, as much as you want to believe it. You have a 2g block, surprise! You are obviously doing something wrong, I could help you out and figure out your problem, but it seems like you want something else to be in there than what you obviously have. I find this timing belt n related crap too easy
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Re: can you confirm lifters with video clip
[Re: Reza Mirza]
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FYI, 1g 7 bolt blocks do not use a crank angle sensor. Look for the obvious, crank angle sensor on valve cover or not ?
I really don't think it is that hard.
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Re: can you confirm lifters with video clip
[Re: Reza Mirza]
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November 03, 2008 08:57 pm UTC
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Reza; Correct me if I'm wrong, however the Crank angle sensor bolts to the front case, not the block itself. It's entirely possible he has a 1G 7 bolt block with a 2G Front Case, no?
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Re: can you confirm lifters with video clip
[Re: Ryan Laliberte]
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Ryan got the serial # off the block. I was hoping Rob strelecki could tell from that what it was, but apparently he has no way to look that up.
If anyone else might now, the serial # is PC9586
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Re: can you confirm lifters with video clip
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November 03, 2008 09:12 pm UTC
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Serial numbers only give us the date/place of manufacturing. We need part numbers.
MD329509 - Engine - Cylinder block Cylinder block, eclipse, w/turbo, to 4/3/97 - 2.0l 1995 - 1997
MD350925 - Engine - Cylinder block Cylinder block, eclipse, w/turbo, from 5/1/97 - 2.0l 1997 - 1999
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Re: can you confirm lifters with video clip
[Re: Ryan Laliberte]
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November 03, 2008 09:21 pm UTC
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If the 2g front case bolted up to the 1g 7 bolt then why use 1g 7 bolt parts ? The 2g parts will work just fine in that case. There would not be an issue.
Why not just verify that you don't have a crank angle sensor on the valve cover, and thus believe that the block is a 2g ?
In fact I still think the whole motor is a regular 2g motor, that needs regular 2g parts.
Also I don't use the measuring drill bits method for setting tension, its crap! If the pin goes back in and can spin freely, its good. No in between.
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Re: can you confirm lifters with video clip
[Re: Ryan Rae]
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November 03, 2008 09:40 pm UTC
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Ok, so here's what it looks like to me.
You have a 2G 7 bolt bottom end. It's turbo, the oil squirters on a 2G Turbos were different than the 1G's, they were built right into the block, and looked nothing like 1G oil squirters.
You have a 2G Front Case, you can clearly see where the 2 10mm bolts go for the Crank Angle Sensor, however it looks like you don't have the timing pickup tin (Goes between the Timing sprocket and B/S sprocket on the crank).
You also have a 1G 7 bolt engine mount bracket/timing belt tensioner arm, making this very difficult.
Reza, Rob, confirm/deny my findings.
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Re: can you confirm lifters with video clip
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November 03, 2008 09:50 pm UTC
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So with further pics and proof, it does look like a late 1g head, but the block is a 2g, as I mentioned. So the head has nothing to do with your your timing belt, no need to worry about that now.
Even after the tooners post, I'm surprised your still thinking its a 1g 7 bolt botom end.
So you have a 2g block. 2g timing belt stuff, 2g tensioner and related parts, set the tension right, and you should be fine.
I don't know what else to tell you.
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