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October 30, 2007 11:10 pm UTC
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picked up an act 2100 and street disk on sunday. went to throw it in the car today and the problem is the plate and disk are physicaly larger by about 1/2". the bolt holes on the 2100 don't line up with the holes on the flywheel and the plate and disk are larger than what came out of the car.
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Re: act clutch [Re: Mike Mignardi] #246518
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What's the part number?


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Re: act clutch [Re: Ryan Laliberte] #246531
October 31, 2007 01:55 am UTC
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Originally Posted by Ryan Laliberte
What's the part number?


Do not have a part number.
**Should have mentioned in the OP that it was bought used at the garage sale from the asian guy with the galant; I forget his name (chris??)

would the clutch be different from a 6bolt to a 7bolt, or a 1g to a 2g, or are all 4g63's the same part numeber?


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-Banging gears at 11,000rpm

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Re: act clutch [Re: Mike Mignardi] #246544
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ACT DSM 2100 Pressure Plate

Fits: all turbo DSM 90-99 Talon, Eclipse, and Mitsubishi Galant Vr-4 91-92


What year is the VR4, and is it the original transmission there?
CAPS would say if it changed, and even states the diameter. I'm not near it right now though, sorry!

//edit
From what I read, the early VR4s ('88-'90) weren't available here, so maybe it's an earlier (different) JDM trans in there?

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Re: act clutch [Re: Rob Strelecki] #246571
October 31, 2007 12:39 pm UTC
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1g, 2g, 6 bolt and 7 bolt 4g63 TURBO all take the same clutch. Non turbo is different.


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Re: act clutch [Re: Ziggy Dietrich] #246573
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^^^
Correct, but this assumes that the stock transmission is used as well.

Re: act clutch [Re: Rob Strelecki] #246575
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True..


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Re: act clutch [Re: Ziggy Dietrich] #246577
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motor in the talon is a 7bolt red top motor. the seller of the car told me that the engine had been replaced approx. 3yrs ago when the timing belt went.
as far as i know it is the stock 94awd tranny.


04' Suzuki SV650S
-Banging gears at 11,000rpm

94' TSi AWD
-bone stock...for now
Re: act clutch [Re: Mike Mignardi] #246578
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^^^
I was talking about the Galant transmission, which could be why a different clutch was used.

Re: act clutch [Re: Rob Strelecki] #246590
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i originally bought this clutch off of paul bratina awhile back...

here's the original for sale post

http://www.ca.dsm.org/forums/ubbthr...a&topic=0&Search=true#Post236497

good luck mike smile

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Re: act clutch [Re: chris esquejo] #246606
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Well then, there goes my theory!
FWIW, CAPS only gives me the regular 225mm disc for the 4G63 Galant - But I'm not sure if my CAPS has data on the early models.

Mike, it might help if you could post some pictures of the old clutch & flywheel that you pulled out.
The number on the transmission too while you're at it.

It's looking like someone swapped in an odd flywheel/clutch (and transmission if the teeth on the flywheel don't line up to stock).
Maybe non-turbo clutch/disc/flywheel? With AWD transmission, the starter should still work.
The flywheel will have no step, and the disc will be 215mm.
I'm not sure where this puts the bolt holes for the PP to FW bolts.

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Re: act clutch [Re: Rob Strelecki] #246611
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http://www.roadraceengineering.com/clutchandflywheeltech.htm

Scroll down to the section on Early JDM Flywheels. It might give you some insight as to what you've got in there.


Now, I'll have all kinds of time to talk about DSMs, because I won't be busy fixing mine!
Re: act clutch [Re: Steve Kinnaird] #246645
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Ok...update time.
The motor in my car is a red top 6 bolt swapped in when the orig. 7 bolt was a timing belt victim.
The flywheel pulled from my car has no step and is slightly smaller than a flywheel i pulled out of a red top 6 bolt turbo motor from a wrecker to try and match up.
The ACT PP is good as it matched perfectly to the wrecker flywheel. Problem is that the known good flywheel does not line up with the teeth on the starter motor in my car and the ring gear rubs against the starter housing.
Where do I go from here? I will try to get pics tomorrow when the tranny gets dropped again cry

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-Banging gears at 11,000rpm

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-bone stock...for now
Re: act clutch [Re: Mike Mignardi] #246648
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Maybe your wrecker flywheel is from a FWD. It would explain why the clutch fits but the starter doesn't line up.
Solution could be to simply put in an AWD flywheel.

Sounds like the "original" clutch/flywheel is from an NT.

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Re: act clutch [Re: Rob Strelecki] #246651
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anyway to tell when i go back to the wrecker to exchange the FW if the motor is FWD / AWD?
i'm guessing that the awd flywheel will be smaller?


04' Suzuki SV650S
-Banging gears at 11,000rpm

94' TSi AWD
-bone stock...for now
Re: act clutch [Re: Mike Mignardi] #246655
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The wrecker should know what car it came off of, but in any case you should just compare it to what you're holding.
Off a USDM 4G63 6-bolt turbo motor, there are only two stepped flywheels to choose from.

Re: act clutch [Re: Rob Strelecki] #246690
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woohoo!
Went back to the wreckers, and sure enough out of the hundred AWD motors sitting there I pick the FWD one mad
Went back and got the correct one that is now the right diameter to engage the starter.


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-Banging gears at 11,000rpm

94' TSi AWD
-bone stock...for now
Re: act clutch [Re: Mike Mignardi] #246736
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what wrecker are you going to?


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Re: act clutch [Re: Grant Redfern] #246802
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tiger auto. warden and eglington area of scarborough.


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-Banging gears at 11,000rpm

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-bone stock...for now
Re: act clutch [Re: Mike Mignardi] #246809
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They are usually pretty good there. I bought a tranny there one for my AWD that was the wrong ratio. So ya gotta watch that too!

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